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"Mach argued that inertia is due to an interaction between matter and the rest of the universe: 'Try to fix Newton’s bucket and rotate the heaven of fixed stars and then prove the absence of centrifugal forces'”

The birth of the "Thought Experiment sans Actual Experiment".

No, Herr Mach. *YOU* prove it. That's how this Science stuff works.

EDIT: This reminded me of a trenchant thought by J.S. Haldane: "It seems to me immensely unlikely that mind is a mere by-product of matter. For if my mental processes are determined wholly by the motions of atoms in my brain I have no reason to suppose that my beliefs are true. They may be sound chemically, but that does not make them sound logically. And hence I have no reason for supposing my brain to be composed of atoms."

If Mach is correct, then his observations have no more reason be thought to be true than any other. Any set of observations by one investigator should be taken as no more true or valid than a passing dream of a 7 year old child. This would mean that Science is just a random aggregation of unconnected observations with no predictive power whatsoever, except by merest chance.

Yet, Mach and others didn't treat their observations of Reality in any such manner. Observations were catalogued, weighed, and either accepted or discarded, much as before Mach had made his claim. The observations were taken as depictions of how Reality behaved, regardless of their subjective qualities.

How in the world could you make any predictions or formulate physical laws on such a structure? Mach proceeded on his physical work after his philosophical observation just as he had done before, but without the thought of any "non-measurable" element being allowed into the mix.

But, how many new methods of measurement have we discovered since the time of Mach that make this outlook both fanciful and intellectually limiting. Extreme arrogance, to say the very least. The new "religion" here is almost comic in it's hubris.

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"“Atoms cannot be perceived by the senses;” he argued, “like all substances, they are things of thought”"

But that's dumb and immensely solipsistic. So if I put a hot cherry pie in front of Mach and said, "Man I want to know who baked this so I can get more later" he would have to reply, "How do you KNOW it was baked? As far as my logical positivism says the pie spawned into existence the instant I saw it for the sole purpose of my consumption and pleasure. I will thank no man and absolutely no God for the existence of this delicious pie".

Oh, reading into it, turns out he is atheist guess that matches. From wiki: "Mach later became a socialist and an atheist, but his theory and life was sometimes compared to Buddhism. Heinrich Gomperz called Mach the "Buddha of Science" because of his phenomenalist approach to the "Ego" in his Analysis of Sensations."

This is how you end up with Soviet famines. You assume the output of food without regard for what resources and expertise it takes to plant, grow, feed and manage it. I'm taking away from these historical articles that a similar famine hit the scientific community.

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